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| Do you think Renault are guilty of cheating in last years Singapore race? |
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sassyshiraz
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 Posted: Mon Sep 07, 2009 1:08 am Post subject: Renault - guilty or not guilty? |
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Each year in F1 there is a big scandal, now its Renault's turn. Question is...is it true? What are your thoughts?  
FIA requests meeting with Renault over cheating claims
Formula One governing body the FIA has called upon Renault to attend a hearing with the World Motor Sport Council (WMSC) in Paris regarding the conspiracy which says that the team instructed Nelson Piquet to crash in order to help team-mate Fernando Alonso to victory in last year's Singapore Grand Prix.
Lap 1: Alonso starts the race from 15th position on the grid
News of the claims first appeared in the aftermath of the Belgian Grand Prix on Sunday when an FIA spokesperson revealed that a case, involving Renault and claims surrounding a deliberate crash, were being investigated from one of last year's races.
The 2008 Singapore Grand Prix saw Nelson Piquet Junior's accident bring out the Safety Car mid-race; with team-mate Fernando Alonso having already pitted, the Spaniard emerged ahead of the field and leading the race once those originally at the front had come in.
Lap 14: Piquet crashes, resulting in the instant deployment of the Safety Car
It is believed that the FIA interviewed key members all teams at Spa last weekend in a quest to find anymore evidence or opinion surrounding the issue. It is also rumoured that Felipe Massa confronted Renault Team Principal Flavio Briatore after the race in Singapore last year, as the Brazilian's evening was ruined when a rushed pit-stop for Ferrari under the Safety Car period in question resulted in a mistake which cost the championship contender the lead and any chance of a points finish.
Lap 61: Alonso and Renault win for the first time in 2008
'Representatives of ING Renault F1 have been requested to appear before an extraordinary meeting of the FIA World Motor Sport Council in Paris on Monday, 21 September 2009,' the FIA's Friday statement reads, calling Renault to the WMSC the Monday before this year's night race.
'The team representatives have been called to answer charges, including a breach of Article 151c of the International Sporting Code, that the team conspired with its driver, Nelson Piquet Jr, to cause a deliberate crash at the 2008 Singapore Grand Prix with the aim of causing the deployment of the safety car to the advantage of its other driver, Fernando Alonso.' |
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Cas
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| Posted: Mon Sep 07, 2009 8:27 am Post subject: |
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Piquet junior seems to not only have ended his career with Renault, and his manager, but perhaps with any future team!
If he really caused the accident he needs his bumps looking at! As safe as F1 cars can be, there is always the odd one that can cause serious injury or even worse.
Even if it were true, it is going to be VERY difficult to prove. Surely is one word against another? And why has it taken this long for it to be looked into if Massa made a complaint at the time??
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Cas
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| Posted: Thu Sep 10, 2009 7:10 am Post subject: |
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Come on guys, why is it only me that has voted???
| Quote: | 'Renault and Piquet playing the blame game'
Wednesday 9th September 2009
Giancarlo Fisichella might be a little relieved that Nelsinhogate has erupted just before his Ferrari debut. Renault's alleged manipulation of the 2008 Singapore GP will be the story dominating the Italian GP weekend.
Details of the story are being leaked to the press and Italian magazine Autosprint has been rounding up the latest developments. Far from the affair being a vendetta against the Renault team, the allegations of race fixing are believed to have come direct from Nelson Piquet Senior and Junior in the wake of Junior's sacking from the team.
The story that has been pieced together is that Piquet Junior, Renault's Director of Engineering Pat Symmonds and Team Principal Flavio Briatore had a meeting on the Sunday of the Singapore GP. At the time Piquet hadn't got a drive for 2009 and was keen to please.
While it is disputed whose idea it actually was, the idea itself was allegedly that Piquet would crash at Turn 17 shortly after Fernando Alonso's very early pit-stop, bringing out the Safety Car and allowing Fernando to take the lead of the race. Because there was no crane to remove the car at Turn 17, a crash there would almost certainly necessitate a Safety Car period.
The telemetry on Piquet's car apparently shows that during the race his car goes light on the exit, but he still keeps his foot on the throttle to invoke the spin.
It's believed that Symonds and Briatore aren't disputing the fact that they had a discussion about a deliberate accident to assist Alonso, but are adamant that it was Piquet Junior's own idea and they didn't ask him to do it.
Piquet's claim is understood to be that Symonds and Briatore asked him to crash to bring out the Safety Car. So there seems to be little dispute at all that it was a pre-arranged accident, the only area of contention is - did he jump or was he pushed?
The allegations are potentially more damaging to the sport than the McLaren's spygate saga of 2007. As a result of Piquet's spin Felipe Massa, who was leading the race, was forced into a disastrous pit-stop that severely dented his World Championship chances.
Had Massa continued without the Safety Car, he might have won the race and gone on to become World Champion.
It's been claimed that the Singapore race-fix matter came to light on July 26th - the day of Piquet's last race for Renault in Hungary - when his father Nelson contacted FIA President Max Mosley to make him aware of what had happened.
If this is the case then it is a potentially ruinous admission. As Bernie Ecclestone has already said: "If I tell you to go and rob a bank and you get caught, you can't say, 'Well Bernie told me to'." Whether it was his idea or not, Piquet Junior will be forever associated with cheating from September 21st onwards.
What's more, both he and his father are hostile witnesses. They are witnesses with an axe to grind, so any legal hearing would likely take their testimony to be coloured and not impartial.
The Piquet's need to be certain they have enough independent evidence to support their claim. Otherwise Felipe Massa and their fellow countrymen will always resent the fact that Nelsinho's actions cost him a World Championship.
He might always resent him anyway. He could have said no. There are going to be very few winners from this latest round of F1 controversy, other than those at the FIA who are about to flex their muscles.
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Melanie
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| Posted: Thu Sep 10, 2009 7:51 am Post subject: |
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| Looks like it really was all arranged |
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sassyshiraz
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| Posted: Fri Sep 11, 2009 1:20 am Post subject: |
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If someone had asked Piquet to jump off a bridge that day would he have done it?? This has made him look a right idiot in my opinion. I understand that Flav has power and a driver desperate to keep his race seat might be persuaded to do many things but this was downright stupid, dangerous and ridiculous. F1 is becoming more and more like football with a bad reputation - not for the hooligans though that spoil it for the majoirty but the flipping people who work in it. 
I used to really like the Renault team but this has blighted my view of them. Not Alonso though you understand.  |
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sassyshiraz
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| Posted: Fri Sep 11, 2009 1:22 am Post subject: |
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I voted Cas.  |
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Cas
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| Posted: Fri Sep 11, 2009 2:22 am Post subject: |
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lol, so I see
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I just voted too and i think the Piquets are after revenge for sacking Junior! They are only after the limelight and i think this is going to destroy the Piquet name. I really hope Renault can win this case.
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| Posted: Sat Sep 12, 2009 9:42 am Post subject: |
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| Out of the all the people involved the only person even remotely trustworthy is Pat Symonds. So I say that Renault are innocent |
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crazycaz
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| Posted: Mon Sep 14, 2009 8:03 am Post subject: |
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I voted. I think its just sour grapes as well. If it is true then why wasn't something said about if before.
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| Posted: Mon Sep 14, 2009 4:46 pm Post subject: |
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Guilty!! and why not? It Is to keep the sport scandals going after all...
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sassyshiraz
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| Posted: Wed Sep 16, 2009 6:54 am Post subject: |
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Looks like my vote was true after all...guilty as charged.
Briatore and Symonds leave Renault
Wednesday 16th September 2009
Renault managing director Flavio Briatore and executive director of engineering Pat Simonds have left the Formula One team.
Renault have also decided not to dispute the recent allegations made by the FIA concerning the 2008 Singapore Grand Prix, the team have announced.
A statement from the team read: "The ING Renault F1 Team will not dispute the recent allegations made by the FIA concerning the 2008 Singapore Grand Prix.
"It also wishes to state that its managing director, Flavio Briatore and its executive director of engineering, Pat Symonds, have left the team.
"Before attending the hearing before the FIA World Motor Sport Council in Paris on 21 September 2009, the team will not make any further comment."
Despite this latest twist in the 'crashgate' scandal, the extraordinary meeting of the World Motor Sport Council scheduled for Monday at the FIA's headquarters in Paris will still go ahead.
Although Briatore and Symonds have fallen on their sword, and their actions will be taken into account, the WMSC may still impose severe sanctions on the team now they have chosen not to launch a defence.
The FIA charged Renault with "conspiring with its driver, Nelson Piquet Jnr, to cause a deliberate crash at the 2008 Singapore Grand Prix with the aim of causing the deployment of the safety car to the advantage of its other driver, Fernando Alonso''.
Alonso went on to take the chequered flag at Formula One's first night race, his first victory for two years, and at a time when Renault were considering quitting the sport.
The French manufacturer will almost certainly plead for clemency from the FIA as they will claim the actions of two men should not affect the employment of nearly 700 other staff within the team.
The FIA have the power to exclude Renault from the championship, although it is anticipated such a strict penalty will not be administered. |
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Cas
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| Posted: Wed Sep 16, 2009 7:32 am Post subject: |
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Not good news 
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| Posted: Sun Sep 20, 2009 2:27 pm Post subject: |
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Would like to change my vote too...guilty
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| Posted: Tue Sep 29, 2009 6:45 am Post subject: |
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OK, I seem to have been wrong!!
Don't know what Flavio is going on about still claiming innocence when all around seem to be confessing, doesn't make sense to me, and as for Alonso dedicating his podium to him!!! Asking for trouble but now...
| Quote: | Piquet Sr: Renault was managed by Alonso
Tuesday 29th September 2009
Nelson Piquet Sr has launched another scathing attack on Renault, claiming the team "was managed by Fernando Alonso himself".
The French-based team were last week slapped with a suspended two-year ban after Nelson Piquet Jr deliberately crashed his car during the 2008 Singapore Grand Prix while former team boss Flavio Briatore was handed an effective lifetime ban for his involvement.
Piquet Sr says his son was under enormous pressure at Renault and claims the whole debacle was "inevitable".
"This is not something that should exist in motor racing," Nelson Piquet Sr told the Brazilian media. "In my career I would never have thought about doing something like this. But the circumstances that made him do this were inevitable. He was under great pressure.
"This year was really very bad due to the favouring in terms of cars that Renault gave to Alonso. The team was not even managed by Briatore: it was managed by Alonso himself.
The former World Champion is also adamant that his son didn't come up with the idea to crash.
"Two hours before the race [Briatore] said [to Piquet Jr]: 'If you want to help the team then you have to do this'," Piquet said. "He accepted doing something under great pressure from Renault. He didn't have much else to lose in terms of his career.
"I knew that this was a crime. Manipulating the result of a race is a criminal act. There is no room for this in sport and especially when it is premeditated."
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Whatever happened has to be done and dusted, BUT at the end of the day Piquet created the accident, he could have said NO!! To keep going on and on is pushing it a bit I think!!
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