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 Posted: Wed Apr 08, 2009 1:05 am Post subject: McLaren are summoned by FIA |
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McLaren summoned for FIA hearing
Tuesday 7th April 2009
McLaren face the threat of serious sanctions after being summoned to appear before an extraordinary meeting of the World Motor Sport Council in Paris on April 29.
The team are deemed to be in breach of the FIA's International Sporting Code relating to the recent 'lie-gate' saga surrounding world champion Lewis Hamilton's exclusion from the Australian Grand Prix.
It is the third time McLaren have been hauled before the WMSC in less than two years, with the last hearing resulting in the Woking-based team being handed a sporting record £49.2million fine following the 'spy-gate' furore.
McLaren are accused of being in specific breach of Article 151c of the sporting code, relating to 'any fraudulent conduct, or any act prejudicial to the interests of any competition or to the interests of motor sport generally.'
In a FIA statement, McLaren are to answer charges that:
- On 29 March, 2009, told the stewards of the Australian Grand Prix that no instructions were given to Hamilton in car No. 1 to allow (Jarno) Trulli in car no. 9 to pass when both cars were behind the safety car, knowing this statement to be untrue.
- Procured its driver, Hamilton, the current world champion, to support and confirm this untrue statement to the stewards.
- Although knowing that as a direct result of its untrue statement to the stewards, another driver and a rival team had been unfairly penalised, made no attempt to rectify the situation either by contacting the FIA or otherwise.
- On 2 April, 2009, at a second hearing before the stewards of the Australian Grand Prix, (meeting in Malaysia) made no attempt to correct the untrue statement of 29 March but, on the contrary, continued to maintain the statement was true, despite being allowed to listen to a recording of the team instructing Hamilton to let Trulli past, and despite being given more than one opportunity to correct its false statement.
- On 2 April, 2009, at the second stewards' hearing, procured its driver Hamilton to continue to assert the truth of the false statement given to the stewards on 29 March, while knowing what he was saying to the stewards was not true.
In a statement issued by McLaren, and in a further attempt to try to appease the WMSC, the team have confirmed they have sacked Dave Ryan, their former sporting director.
Ryan was suspended on Friday after the storm surrounding the case blew up ahead of the weekend's Malaysian Grand Prix.
The McLaren statement read: "McLaren acknowledge receipt of an invitation to appear at an FIA World Motor Sport Council meeting in Paris on April 29, received this afternoon.
"We undertake to co-operate fully with all WMSC processes, and welcome the opportunity to work with the FIA in the best interests of Formula One.
"This afternoon McLaren and former sporting director, Dave Ryan, have formally parted company.
"As a result, he is no longer an employee of any of the constituent companies of the McLaren Group."
Hamilton, who was excluded from the classification of the race in Australia, is now in the clear as far as the FIA is concerned.
The WMSC will now focus on taking the team to task, with another hefty fine the logical outcome.
However, they have the power to either suspend McLaren from races, or even exclude them from the championship. |
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sassyshiraz
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I find it really sad to see F1 yet again go through this bad publicity, it seems the racing isn't so important anymore only the polictics and the lies that surround it. Two races into the new season and look at the mess one team has made? After 30 years with the company Dave Ryan should have known better than to lie to the stewards and now that's the end of his career in the sport as a result. This is a team sport so therefore everyone in it including Lewis who was a part of the lie scandal should be penalised in some way for breaking the sporting code. They for sure are not the first team to lie in the sport and will not be the last no doubt but lets get back to proper racing - I'm loving the topsy turvy grids this year and its good to see Brawn GP doing so well. Onwards to China.....  |
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Cas
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I think it is very sad that Dave Ryan has had to go, I know he did wrong, but I don't think he is the only one by any means, but are they also going to sacrifice Ron Dennis??
| Quote: | Dennis' job could be on the line
Wednesday 8th April 2009
Ron Dennis' future as CEO of the McLaren Group is reportedly under serious threat after the team were summoned to appear before an extraordinary meeting of the World Motor Sport Council.
McLaren will answer five charges of bringing Formula One into disrepute in Paris on April 29 after Lewis Hamilton was found guilty of deliberately misleading the stewards after the Australian Grand Prix.
The scandal has already cost Dave Ryan his job as sporting director while Hamilton was subsequently excluded from the Australian GP classification.
And now Dennis' role in the scandal has also been thrust into the spotlight.
'The crisis has placed the spotlight on the actions of Martin Whitmarsh, the new team principal, but also increasingly on Ron Dennis, the chairman, whose role in the background of this latest trauma to affect his team has never been clarified.
'The Times requested information on two critical issues concerning Dennis yesterday. First, whether he spoke to Ryan in between the protest hearing in Melbourne and the second one four days later in Kuala Lumpur, where Ryan and Hamilton repeated the untruths they uttered in Australia. Second, whether it is the case that Dennis was strongly opposed to Hamilton making a formal apology in front of the massed ranks of the media.'
The report also added that: 'According to some paddock insiders, a deal may be reached whereby Hamilton stays at McLaren but Dennis either leaves or formally renounces any involvement in future Formula One activities and leaves the running of the team entirely in Whitmarsh's hands.'
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| It really is dark days for the Macs right now. |
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Cas
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I think they are just after a really big scalp!! 
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Dave Ryan is the scape goat..
Martin Whitmarsh has alot to answer for, (even for when he was cowering in the corner when Lewis and Dave was being questioned....
Lewis did lie at the hearing. He done for the team.. the team that has supported him from his first driving days. a hard line that is. you have to make a decision. I think he chose the right one. as he had the chance which he took to explain the predicament he was into afterwards.
Lewis was true and wanted to remain doing the right thing when he was driving, and asking the team what to do , wanting an answer of what he was allowed to do, to stay ok with the rules. he did the right thing and did what was asked of him.
A tough call to say lewis should be punished, when all his actions on the track were as asked and advised by the team at the time trulli came off the track.
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| Quote: | Hamilton also said sorry to Whiting
Saturday 11th April 2009
Lewis Hamilton issued a private apology to FIA race director Charlie Whiting after he was caught 'deliberately misleading' the stewards.
Whiting has offered an insight into the events that will now see McLaren face the World Motor Sport Council in Paris later this month to answer a charge of bringing the sport into disrepute.
Whiting claims he sensed Hamilton was lying to stewards presiding over the Australian Grand Prix as they tried to ascertain whether or not he had allowed Toyota's Jarno Trulli to pass him behind the safety car.
Four days later in Sepang, in the wake of fresh evidence emerging that snared Hamilton and McLaren sporting director Dave Ryan, the world champion later apologised to Whiting.
Hamilton then offered a public apology during an emotional press conference in front of the media at the circuit.
Speaking to Autosport, Whiting said: "I was distinctly uncomfortable about Lewis' demeanour on Sunday (in Australia). It was completely clear he was telling lies.
"On Thursday (in Malaysia) I would say he was just doing what he was told to do.
"The fact he came and apologised to me in Sepang sums it up pretty much.
"He came to me and wanted to talk to me privately, and just said he wanted to apologise for everything he'd done, and he wouldn't do it again, that sort of thing."
In Malaysia, Hamilton and Ryan were presented with damning evidence - namely radio transmissions and an interview the 24-year-old gave immediately after the race - that made clear he was told by the team to allow Trulli by.
Regardless, Hamilton and Ryan foolishly continued in their attempt to mislead the stewards, with the former evasive with his answers to questions from Whiting.
"We got into a little bit more detail of what happened when Trulli passed Lewis," added Whiting.
"Lewis did his best to fudge it, I would say, without responding completely and directly.
"I reminded him that I had asked him twice in Melbourne, 'Did you consciously let him (Trulli) past?' And he'd said no, Trulli had just passed him.
"I then said when the team asked you to let him past, you said 'I've already let him past'.
"I said to him if you had been surprised by that, surely you would have said, 'He's passed me!' instead of 'I've let him past'.
"Lewis didn't really have an answer for that. They were trying very hard to get off the important bit of the subject, and trying to divert the stewards' attention elsewhere.
"That's the impression I got anyway."
McLaren have since sacked Ryan, which could leave Hamilton on his own in answering questions come the World Council hearing.
As Ryan is no longer an employee of McLaren, he is not compelled to attend or give evidence if he is unwilling to do so.
The team face five charges of what is tantamount to fraud under the FIA's International Sporting Code, and although a heavy fine is the most likely outcome, they could be suspended from races or expelled from the Championship.
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hmmm not sure what to think about this judgement!!
| Quote: | McLaren handed suspended three-race ban
Wednesday 29th April 2009
McLaren have been handed a suspended three-race ban as the 'lie-gate' saga reached its conclusion on Wednesday.
The team's pro-active approach in the run up to the extraordinary hearing of the World Motor Sport Council in Paris played its part in softening the blow as McLaren could have been more heavily penalised.
However, the WMSC appear to have taken into account a number of mitigating circumstances after McLaren pleaded guilty on all five counts of breaching the International Sporting Code.
A statement from the FIA read: "Having regard to the open and honest way in which McLaren team principal, Martin Whitmarsh, addressed the WMSC and the change in culture which he made clear has taken place in his organisation, the WMSC decided to suspend the application of the penalty it deems appropriate.
"That penalty is a suspension of the team from three races of the FIA Formula One World Championship. This will only be applied if further facts emerge regarding the case or if, in the next 12 months, there is a further breach by the team of article 151c of the International Sporting Code."
Speaking after the hearing, FIA President Mosley insisted the WMSC's decision was "entirely fair".
He added: "They (McLaren) have demonstrated there is a complete culture change, that it's all different to what it was.
"In those circumstances it looks better to put the whole thing behind us, so unless there is something similar in the future, that is the end of the matter."
During the meeting, Whitmarsh again took the opportunity to offer his team's sincere apologies for the mistakes made in Australia and Malaysia.
Following the hearing described by McLaren as "very fair", a happy Whitmarsh said: "I would like to thank the FIA World Motor Sport Council members for affording me the opportunity to answer their questions this morning.
"We are aware we made serious mistakes in Australia and Malaysia, and I was therefore very glad to be able to apologise for those mistakes once again.
"I was also pleased to be able to assure the FIA World Motor Sport Council members that we had taken appropriate action with a view to ensuring that such mistakes do not occur again."
It means McLaren can now focus on going racing, and pushing ahead with their bid to help Hamilton regain his world title.
A McLaren statement added: "We now look forward with enthusiasm to continuing our efforts to develop a closer and more co-operative relationship between ourselves and the FIA.
"We will also continue to focus our efforts on closing the performance gap that exists between our car and the fastest cars.
"Following Lewis' encouraging fourth place in Bahrain on Sunday, we are now optimistic we will be able to play an increasingly competitive part in what is fast developing into a very exciting season of Formula One motor racing."
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| I'd say they got away very lightly all things considered. They had better keep their noses clean so to speak now and do things by the book. Maybe Martin Whitmarsh needs to have a word with young Lewis and tell him to also be a good boy. |
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Blimey they did get away very lightly!
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| sassyshiraz wrote: | | Maybe Martin Whitmarsh needs to have a word with young Lewis and tell him to also be a good boy. |
oi leave my driver alone missy , he lied once, for the team thats all. other drivers have done much worse, including DC 
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Cas
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| Posted: Wed Apr 29, 2009 2:03 pm Post subject: |
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Your driver or not, he not only lied once, but at least twice, cos they were recalled and they repeated what they said, not to mention what they said to the press.
And what did DC do that was worse??
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| Posted: Wed Apr 29, 2009 2:07 pm Post subject: |
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I dont know Cas. just starting a fight with Leeca, is fun. 
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| Posted: Wed Apr 29, 2009 2:13 pm Post subject: |
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You might have another on your hands too!! 
Hamilton's team couldn't even let him know properly what position he finished after the Malaysian GP!!!! 
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Hahaha thats true......
.........errrr..............................go button?
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